“For We Are Members Of One Another” – 8/09/09 – Ephesians 4:25-5:2

When I study a passage of scripture I like to read the whole passage together multiple times – try and take it as a whole chunk of communication rather than being too quick to search for sound-bites or one-liners, but in this Ephesians passage I kept wanting to stop after a phrase in the very first verse.  That verse, Ephesians 4:25, reads:  “So then, putting away falsehood, let all of us speak the truth to our neighbors, for we are members of one another.”  It was the last part of that line that had my attention.  “For we are members of one another.”  The writer of the letter throughout has been developing this image of the church as a body – and not just any body – the body of Christ – and now this verse takes that idea deeper with this provocative phrase – “members of one another.”  Us.

Usually when I’m struck by a phrase like that the next step is to try to find the right question to ask.  One question we could ask is “Do we really believe that?” and if so, what does that mean for us?  If we’re going to buy in to this body image of the church, one body, us being components of that body, then do we believe that we are indeed members of one another, connected in such an organic kind of way?  This is an OK question, but I think there may be a better one.  Since we are talking about the body, with all its senses that tell it is alive and that it is connected to a whole ecology of life, maybe the question should be “Do we feel that?”  Do you feel that we are members of one another?  The “we” here being the church both local and global.  Do we sense and know in a way that surpasses intellectual assent, feel in our gut, this to be so? 

My answer to that, I find, straightforward and unambiguous person that I am, is “sometimes, to varying degrees.”       

“Connected” is a word that gets a fair amount of useage these days.  For good reason.  The technological advances of the last 10-15 years have brought about a condition that allows for amazing opportunities for connectivity.  The writing of this sermon is an example.  The bulk of this sermon was worked out on Thursday afternoon, sitting at the Red Tree art gallery and coffee shop in Oakley.  With the laptop I was able to work on the sermon, be constantly connected to email through the wireless connection, go online to check a couple commentaries on the Ephesians passage.  I had my cell phone right beside me, able to almost instantly reach and be reached by anyone.  Over the speakers various folk/rock artists from around the country were singing their best songs to us as I drank good coffee that probably came from half way around the world.

Even when I myself was half way around the world a couple weeks ago, in Paraguay, there were still opportunities for such connectivity.  Only a couple blocks from my hotel was an internet café that I visited every evening to keep up with the flow into the inbox – and this itself is pretty old school.  Others there were able to keep up through Blackberries and I-phones in their pockets.

Does this connectivity, or hyperconnectivity some would say, make me, make us, more spiritual people?  More conscious of being members of one another?  Less? 

Ephesians is thought to be a second generation Pauline letter, which means that Paul himself most likely did not write the letter, but a student of Paul who would have had a similar theological orientation.  It was common to write in the name of a mentor or master, so when the letter opens with “Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,” it is most likely a student honoring the master.  The best way I’ve had this explained to me goes this like:  In our time, if you have been deeply influenced by the thought of a certain teacher, and you claim to write something under their name, you get in trouble.  In certain settings of ancient times, if you have been deeply influenced by a master and have been a student of their thought and you claim to write something under your own name, you get in trouble.  Since the author of Ephesians identifies himself as Paul, I’ll also call him Paul, but you may want to keep in mind that scholars would prefer to put quotes around the “Paul” who is writing this. 

So these are second, third, fourth generation Christians who are reading this letter – those who had not known Christ in bodily form.  Now being told that through the power of the Holy Spirit they are the Body of Christ.  Really?  If we haven’t had the original revelation or experience of being with Jesus, of seeing how he embodied the love of God, how are we to feel this to be true?  How do we experience being members of that body?  Members of one another.  Connected with one another through spiritual ligaments and blood flow and nerves – knee bone connected to the thigh bone, thigh bone connected to the hip bone.

Here’s a thought: if this much is true – if we have through grace, through the abundant mercy of God, through the steadfast love of God, been brought in, been welcomed into the body of Christ – then a significant part of the journey from here on out is learning to feel one another.  Learning to feel our one bodyness, and to let that shape who we are becoming.

I think there is an element of risk in all this.  If we start to develop and grow in this type of relationship with each other, it changes things.

Before going to Mennonite World Conference I knew very little about the Democratic Republic of Congo.  I knew they were having a drawn out civil war, but didn’t know much about it or have any personal connections to it.  I still know very little about the Democratic Republic of Congo, but I have a few more connections that make me more aware of being a part of the same body as Congolese sisters and brothers.  This happened in a few different ways.  One of the preachers during the worship sessions was a leader from the Congolese church.  He spoke passionately about the importance of doing justice and living the gospel of peace.  It sounded like a fairly standard social justice sermon.  He included the importance of empowering women to be leaders.  And then at one point when he was talking about the women in his country he started crying and said that some of these women have experienced too much pain that they will never fully heal.  He spoke in French and I was listening to an English translation over headphones, so I didn’t pick up all the nuance of what he was saying.  A little later in the week I ran into James Kraybill who works with Mennonite Mission Network and has spent much of his life in French speaking Africa.  He asked me if I noticed that the speaker from Congo had cried.  I said I had, and he said that there are women all throughout the Congo who are being raped as an act of war.  Many of the women are then shot afterward, and some of them survive.  He said this is what Congolese pastors have on their plates when it comes to issues of pastoral care and why the speaker had mourned that some of these women will never fully heal.  At another point in the week I was able to listen in on a group of US and Congolese leaders who sat together to follow up on developing deeper ties between the two churches.  Ed Diller, as moderator of MC USA, will be a part of this work in the next couple years.  Before leaving the conference I visited the artisans’ booth that had handcrafts that people brought and were selling.  I purchased from a Congolese woman who had made a piece of fabric art on burlap that portrayed a proud African woman holding a jar of water on her head that she was carrying to her village, wearing a pearl necklace and pearl earrings and a bright colorful dress.  This is now hanging on the wall in our kitchen.

This might be a risky move.  I don’t know what these connections mean, but I know that as a result of being able to travel, and hear these stories, and meet some people, I have a deeper sense of being members of one another.  And I hope that I can be more prayerful toward the people of the Congo. 

Closer to home, we know that we are given opportunities to live out being members of one another.  When our Belle was stillborn in May and you surrounded us with prayer and thoughtful cards and meals, we experienced a piece of what it is like to be members of one another.  When we hear that Margaret Penner, not yet 25 years old, is now undergoing treatment for ovarian cancer, even though she is now living in Tucson, we know that we are a part of one body.  When we followed Jared Hess’ blog entries, we feel that we are members of one another.  And in our joys, when we celebrate our youth coming of age, when we cheer someone completing the hard work of a master’s degree, or an anniversary, we share in being members of one another. 

This is our gift and challenge of being the church.  In Romans Paul describes this as “Rejoicing with those who rejoice and mourning with those who mourn” (12:15).  As humans we have this amazing ability to feel things that we don’t personally experience, or put another way and maybe a little more accurately, we have the ability to enter into an experience that is not initially our own and make it our own.  Part of the risk, I suppose, involves being changed by one another in ways we can’t control as the experience of one member is sensed by other members. 

Well, that’s the first verse of the passage – Ephesians 4:25.  Only nine more to go.  What follows after this verse is a series of instructions.  In this context of membership in one another, these instructions go beyond individual moralism.  Righteousness, holiness, takes shape in relationship.  It concerns the whole health of the body.  It’s not just a matter of I don’t do these bad things or I do these good things, but that we are a part of the same body, and that Christ is present here with us, and so we are trying to be a healthy, flourishing body together.

I like the NRSV translation of v. 26 – “Be angry, but do not sin; don’t not let the sun go down on your anger.”  I like it that we’re allowed to be angry, and maybe being in touch with the sins or the sorrows of the world will give us some needed anger.  There’s this great line that Bono from the band U2 has said.  And I’m paraphrasing here, but he said something to the effect that he had heard that having kids was supposed to mellow you out, give you a more settled down approach to life.  But, he said, for him, it made him all the more fired up and angry about all the evils in the world.  And so he has taken on this tremendous campaign of essentially asking people to consider that the poorest of the poor children of the world are also our own.    

Be angry, but in your anger, do not sin. 

I’m just going to go ahead and read through this whole passage now and then end with a thought.  Some  instructions of body members relating to one another: “So then, putting away falsehood, let all of us speak the truth to our neighbors, for we are members of one another.  Be angry but do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and do not make room for the devil.  Thieves must give up stealing; rather let them labour and work honestly with their own hands, so as to have something to share with the needy.  Let no evil talk come out of your mouths, but only what is useful for building up, as there is need, so that your words may give grace to those who hear.  And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with which you were marked with a seal for the day of redemption.  Put away from you all bitterness and wrath and anger and wrangling and slander, together with all malice, and be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ has forgiven you.  Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children, and live in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.”

A closing thought, on the way this passage concludes:  Lest we feel that all this happens at our initiative, that we are the ones who must create out of nothing this bond of love with one another.  All of this is couched in the overarching love of God.  Rather than an act of initiation, ours is an act of imitation.  “Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children.  Live in love.”  God has dearly loved us before any of our loving occurs.  God has risked creating this bizarre dust creature with breath and consciousness and a strong will and we are loved despite our fragmented, disconnecting tendencies.  God has already forgiven before we can bring ourselves to forgive.  And Christ has already blazed a trail.  We are imitators.  We receive what is freely given, and we allow ourselves to learn to imitate this love.  We catch a wiff of that fragrant offering of Christ wafting around us and we try and let some of that stick to our skin.  We already live in love.  We are members of Christ’s body.  We are members of one another.


3 thoughts on ““For We Are Members Of One Another” – 8/09/09 – Ephesians 4:25-5:2

  1. here are my notes 🙂

    individual thoughts as members

    for unperfected believers
    who still have issues
    of carnal minded
    and natural man or soulish self
    and are not mature in the word
    the holy spirit adjusts
    and integrates and keeps
    unresolved thoughts
    under the mercy seat
    that in a sense there is
    integration of thought

    Joh 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
    Joh 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
    Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

    Joh 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
    Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
    Joh 16:31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?

    Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
    Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
    Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

    connectivity computers and the els bible code..

    god the father ..the hard drive
    the holy spirit ..god the mother the software
    sons of god the administrators or programmers
    [i read how the new testament
    refers to believes in jesus
    as sons of god…and in the old testament just angels and adam and…]
    sons of god who are not yet perfected
    are getting programmed by the holy spirit
    until they are perfected
    then they can be programmers
    and can discern spiritual things
    whereas probably before that
    there is some partial or
    occasional discernment of spiritua things

    sun symbolically
    as the conscious mind thus
    not letting sun down…is to resolve anger
    consciously so that it does not seep
    into the habit mind of the subconscious
    [under the sun]
    which it is more likely to do
    when one sleeps…



    considering individual thoughts
    as members of one’s mind
    andif there is a dividing wall
    between jew and gentile
    [symbollically i think jew is
    the connected superconscious principles
    of god the father and and conscious
    mind of sons of god…and when
    those who were magistrates and
    representives of god the father
    in israel and they abused those
    principles for self glory then…

    Psa 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
    Psa 82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
    Psa 82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
    Psa 82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
    Psa 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
    Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
    Psa 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
    Psa 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

    Psa 82:1
    God standeth in the congregation of the mighty – In the assembly of the rulers and judges; among those of most exalted rank and station. He is there to observe them; to give them law; to direct their decisions; to judge them. He is supreme over them; and he holds them responsible to himself The word rendered congregation is that which is commonly applied to the assembly of the people of Israel, considered as an organized body, or as a body politic. It here, however, refers to magistrates considered as a body or class of people; as those who have assemblages or meetings, with special reference to their duties as magistrates. The word rendered “mighty” – אל ‘Êl – is in the singular number, and is one of the names which are given to God; hence, the literal rendering is, “God standeth in the assembly of God.” The Septuagint renders it, In the synagogue of the gods. So also the Latin Vulgate. The reference, however, is undoubtedly to magistrates, and the idea is, that they were to be regarded as representatives of God; as acting in his name; and as those, therefore, to whom, in a subordinate sense, the name gods might be given. Compare Psa_82:6. In Exo_21:6; Exo_22:8-9, Exo_22:28, also, the same word in the plural is applied to magistrates, and is properly translated judges in our common version.

    i think come under consideration as the
    habit energy of the mind or the subconscious or the heart…. by the by there are enuf nerves around the heart tis said that the brain can send a message to the heart and the heart in effect says no…

    Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
    Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
    Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
    Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
    Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
    Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
    Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

    IN THE ABOVE PASSAGE…those with the law
    are the jews who have the torah
    and are professed believers in the torah..

    THAT COMES by way of christ and the holy spirit
    with gentile symbolizing the heart or subconscious and jew the mind ..
    Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
    Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
    Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

    els the equididistant letter sequence bible code….
    some say it has kind of prophetic aspects and there is reference to computers being of these times…

    NOW ABOUT WHEN a believer is mature in the word
    and perhaps that as when they are
    a perfected saint and then this scripture could apply to them
    Joh 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
    Joh 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
    NJoh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
    BUT PERHAPS NOT when it says some day ye shall ask in my name and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
    NJoh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, ..which suggest to me that is when a believer is mature and perfected and realizes he has a oneness with the father and that the holy spirit has taught them to the point that they have a full relationship with the father that the believers who is still limited by carnal mindedness or the natural man[soulish man]

    perhaps later on thought from my notes
    on computer and relationship to holy trinity

    and as to sun and under the sun
    i have posted on that in other posts

      and how believers are held together
      in the body of christ

      the mercy seat of the old testament
      worked thru sacrificial blood

      in the new testament it is the blood of jesus that is more powerful
      to stay in the body of christ
      a case can be made it can
      only be done in a body of committed believers thru communion in the flesh and blood of jesus
      and to be a believer too
      this seems to be a condition
      1 john 3:9
      (WNT) No one who is a child of God is habitually guilty of sin. A God-given germ of life remains in him, and he cannot habitually sin–because he is a child of God.

      thus in order for the blood of jesus to contain what sins a believer might commit it has to be done thru the blood of christ and accepting the communion in the flesh and blood of jesus…

      now if one leaves this ,,can one return … in hebrews there seems to be a case where this cannot be done..
      Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
      Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
      Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

      what some commentaries make mention of here seems to me to be a case as to having known that jesus is the messiah to misrepresent him so that others cannot avail themselves of his blessings or protection so that they are vulnerable to preyed upon for self aggrandizement thru sin…which has a similar sense to the offense that got humans into their fix as paul speaks of an earlier instance of such sin in romans 1..

      Rom 1:19 Because a knowledge of God is manifest in them; for God hath manifested it in them.
      Rom 1:20 For, from the foundations of the world, the occult things of God are seen, by the intellect, in the things he created, even his eternal power and divinity; so that they might be without excuse;
      Rom 1:21 because they knew God, and did not glorify him and give thanks to him as God, but became vain in their imaginings, and their unwise heart was darkened.

      Rom 1:32 These, while they know the judgment of God, that he condemneth those to death who perpetrate such things, are not only doers of them, but the companions of such as do them.

      the question tho might remain ..any of those who did such might they later have been able to admit their sin and repent….
      or would such state be one that god could not accept their repentance…
      well the holy spirit who teaches all things hasnt given me a sure answer on this …so i am not making any conclusions …
      tho it is suggestive that maybe not
      but also given that i believe in reincarnation … perhaps the next lifetime…
      and given that i do not think the greek new testament says damnation is eternal suffering….
      oh well i have posted stuff on this before on this site…

      but back to the point of being members
      of the body of the christ
      thru the cleansing power of the blood..
      where any sin that has not become practised and habitual is cleansed by the blood of jesus within the body of christ…
      where tho there remains the issue of
      where i see in the old testament
      as the soul is in the blood
      and the spirit in the flesh…
      and so now i ponder if i have
      the focus and collection of thought
      to try to relate such matters here
      somewhat succinctly …
      oh well maybe not
      but as said there be other posts
      i have posted on this site that deal
      with that issue

      • thoughts on receiving the holy spirit that comes together with fire and water baptism in order
        to join together believers in the body of christ
        and to be of one mind in christ..
        with considerations on some of the following passages from the bible

        Luk 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
        Luk 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
        Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
        Luk 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

        Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
        Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
        Mat 10:36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

        Mat 3:11

        (ASV) I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:




        that now the foes are all internal
        is purifying the pure elements
        of fire air and water
        from the derived elements of earth
        and in the chinese system metal
        [where air is as i understand it
        split into wood and metal…]

        hmmm so the cleansing by water baptism
        is in preparation for baptism by
        holy spirit and fire….
        to make the members of the household
        members of the body of christ….

        the division of father and son is healed
        as the conflict between principles of god the father
        become accepted as the principles of one’s conscious mind by being submissive to the cleansing fire of the principles of god the father …
        more of an internal adjustment

        that allows for the internal water element
        to purge the earthly flesh
        mother against daughter

        the mother in law against daughter in law
        i suspect could be
        resolving the conflict between the carnal mind
        and the natural man
        where carnal mind is earth
        and the natural man is metal ….

        be that as it may 🙂
        often the resolve of the conflict
        between the members of the household
        is not fully resolved with believers
        as few i suspect reach perfection
        in their lifetime
        and that being the case would go
        not to the kingdom of god
        but to the kingdom of heaven
        to prepare for future incarnations
        [not that those who go to the kingdom of god
        do not reincarnate]

        my present understanding is that
        we are entering within recent times
        a transformation within the kingdom of heaven..
        what this might be i have not
        studied much or reflected much…
        but this will be perhaps a period of
        a thousand years but not the thousand year
        rule of jesus and his saints
        but that that will come around the end
        of this present millenia…

        that this transformation within the kingdom of heaven is someway intimately connected with condtions on earth…

        this is suggested by passage way prophesy in the great pyramid of egypt…
        where in 2004 plus or minus 3 years by way of measurement of the pyramid inch , the pit was entered with is a great testing of socities that are materialistically based…
        and then in 2014 starts a possible low point in the spiritual state of humanity ….that could last into the 30’s
        [see THE GREAT PYRAMID DECODED by peter lemesurier…
        tho i do not agree with the spin he is guessing on some of how he interprets some aspects nor does he presume his thinking is necessarily correct]

        this millenia in terms of a transformation more in the kingdom of heaven … perhaps a preparation for the millenia rule of jesus and his saints starting around the end of this millenia

        if the 7 year tribulation fits some way into now or later or both… i do not have much speculation on such…

        but perhaps a 7 year tribulation could be connected with the period between 2004 plus or minus 3 years and 2014 plus or minus 3 years and the plus or minus maybe having to do with the 3 and half years…
        anyways back to members of the body of christ
        and the holy trinity and the 3 against 2
        and one’s own household
        and the foes being in one’s own household…
        if one as a believer continues in communion with the body of christ and seeks to keep that being one in the mind of christ…but does not fully mature to perfection one is still maintained within the body by way of the continuing cleansing action of the blood that prevents the 2 corrupting influences of carnal and soulish [natural man element] from ruling the household or soul of the believer …
        this is done by way that those who is… from 1 john 3:9 (WNT) No one who is a child of God is habitually guilty of sin. A God-given germ of life remains in him, and he cannot habitually sin–because he is a child of God.

        NOW FINALLY TO SOME THOUGHTS THAT CAME TO ME LAST NIGHT AS TO THE RELATIONSHIP OF FLESH AND BLOOD IN COMMUNION where blood is the soul and flesh the spirit and how the holy spirit works …
        in terms of what john the baptist speaks of
        as water and holy spirit and fire…
        water is the element that combines all 3 ..that is to say it is when the conscious mind manifests the will of his creator… where the conscious mind is air and creator is fire and odd to our mind but the result is water…but maybe like how air elements of hydrogen and oxygen can make energy and the result is water..
        this also puts me in mind of the last line of the collection of sonnets attributed to shakespeare[ but more likely i think was francis bacon]
        which goes –love’s fire heats water , water cools not love…
        that is to say the conscious choice of divine love in one’s thoughts and deeds activates the one true and consistent energy of the universe and the record of this is manifestation of holy spirit is water that is heated or has a memory such that it does not detract but supports divine love…
        and thus this water does not put out fire
        but stores its power

        NOW THEN HOW THIS RELATES TO THE FLESH AND BLOOD OF JESUS IN COMMUNION…in terms of subconscious or soul energy as blood and flesh as the conscious mind ….
        those who do not perfect their consciousness by fully maturing in the word continually need the blood to keep some level of being one in the mind of christ but do not maintain it at its optimal level which would be to at all times effectvily consider the needs of others before one’s own thru prayer meditation and service…but those who did mature would be the full embodiment to that st fRancis prayer..
        Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
        Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
        where there is injury, pardon;
        where there is doubt, faith;
        where there is despair, hope;
        where there is darkness, light;
        where there is sadness, joy;
        O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
        to be understood as to understand;
        to be loved as to love.

        For it is in giving that we receive;
        it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
        and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life

        well per usual lack of revision
        i kinda worked out some of the kinks
        of my considerations on such matters
        in a way that i hope might be helpful to some:)

        THIS GOES SOMEPLACE ABOVE..mother against daughter
        oh well if u figure it out let me know where this
        got all the stuff between it and where it goes
        some place above 🙂

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